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<p class="MsoNormal" style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt"><font face="Times New Roman"><span style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt">December 4, 2007</span><span style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt">.<span style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </span>Hi Jim. When I read the above article I noticed that you spoke of the OFFICE of the prophet. Yet when I read Ephesians it speaks of the gift not the office. Where in Scripture is the Office mentioned, since I have heard some say that there is no such thing as an office of the Prophet? Thanks.
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt"><span style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt"><font face="Times New Roman">Good question. John Wesley spoke of "graduations" of truth from 1738 and the next 50 years in his writings. The "gifts" of the Spirit of 1 Corinthians 12:8-11; the "Ministries" of Romans 12:6-8; and the 5-fold Ministries or Offices of Ephesians 4:11-12 and 1 Corinthians 12:28 – fit into this same "gradation" package. All 3 passages speak of "Cha-risMAta" or gifts.
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt"><span style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt"><font face="Times New Roman">Greek Word Studies alone are insufficient to answer this question. However, a careful study of the full New Testament context does shed clear light on this.
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt"><span style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt"><font face="Times New Roman">Harold Horton, Donald Gee, Harold Carter and Kingston of England have written books on the Gifts of the Spirit of 1 Corinthians 12:8-11 and the 5-fold Ministries or Offices of Ephesians 4:11-12 – that correspond very closely with the 4 lessons of John Robert Stevens. I personally find his expository teaching on these 3 passages and this subject -- to be accurate and clear, and corresponds with other top Bible scholars and students that preceded him. Bill Gothard of "Basic Youth Conflicts" along with others deals with Romans 12:6-8 under the title of "Motivational Gifts," though it is not a Biblical term as such.
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt"><span style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt"><font face="Times New Roman">It is most important to understand this "gradation," and conclusion drawn by Brother Stevens. He carefully points out that the greater includes the lesser, but not vice versa. When Paul wanted Timothy to be a member of his apostolic band, he had elders from 3 cities, all knowing Timothy personally, to lay hands on and prophesy over him for this office. It wasn't too long till both Timothy and Titus were functioning as city apostolic pastors, and moving in the area of directive prophecy. One should not function in the 5-fold offices of Ephesians 4:11-12 and directive prophecy apart from being recognized and set apart into these offices by 5-fold city ministries. There is much danger and damage that takes place when those moving in 1 Corinthians 12:8-11 and Romans 12:6-8 seek to move in the field of directive prophecy when they have not received the confirmation of an Ephesians 4:11-12 position by City Presbyteries.
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt"><span style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt"><font face="Times New Roman">Smith Wigglesworth very clearly confirmed the teaching of the above 5 ministries in this area of gradation exposition.
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt"><span style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt"><font face="Times New Roman">Both Marie and I carefully warn people not to receive or give directive prophecy in home meetings or other situations who have not had the Presbytery City Church Ministry. It is also not wise to give or receive personal prophecy from an individual.
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt"><font face="Times New Roman"><span style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt">To further confirm these conclusions, here is another letter from </span><span style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt">Canada</span>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt"><font face="Times New Roman"><span style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt">December 4, 2007</span><span style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt"> – Dear Jim – Thank you for your teaching on the prophetic. I have been in ministry for 38 years and involved in this "wave" of renewal for 27 years going back to involvement in the early stages of the Vineyard under John Wimber. I learned early as a new believer that everything must be tested by the logos word. Over the years I have seen many troubling things in the so-called charismatic renewal alongside many good things and have decided that we are really learning how to minister in the Spirit by trial and error. Except that there is a growing concern in my heart about the increase in error. This lies particularly in the area of the prophetic, especially personal prophecy. The underlying problem is the growing disconnect between the OT prophetic guidelines and NT prophecy. Prophets are saying the OT prophecy has changed in the NT era and that it is still being revealed. Thus the way prophecy is being judged is by experience and by the confirmation of those experiences by other prophets. The authority of scripture is on the decline. A lot is happening that troubles me greatly. Could you respond to this? What do you think?
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt"><font face="Times New Roman"><span style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt">The above is a sober thought and concern. Dr. John Roddam finds that this resonates with him also. As a result he led in having a Canadian friend come with him to our home last week, and make a 3 DVD recording of documenting the 1948 Visitation in
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt"><span style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt"><font face="Times New Roman">Beside these two, a number of other responses have come in concerning the teaching of John Robert Stevens. </font>
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